Comments on Scottish Unionist: Osama Saeed defends supporter of armed jihad

Eh? No, it certainly wasn't me. Thanks for letting...

2009-05-01T17:09:00.000+01:00

Eh? No, it certainly wasn't me. Thanks for letting me know.

Am2, it's unclear on teh guardian peice whether th...

2009-05-01T16:52:00.000+01:00

Am2, it's unclear on teh guardian peice whether this quote is from you or the fake 'scottish unionist'

© Guardian News and Media 2009

A bitter row has broken out between Labour and the Scottish National party over the increase in bloggers smearing rival political leaders.

In the latest dispute, the Scottish Labour leader, Iain Gray, has asked Alex Salmond to act after a blogger posted allegations about Gray's sexuality.

The Labour Chanter blogger claimed Gray had left his wife and children for a male interior designer. A blogpost on Wednesday quoted Gray as confirming his marriage had ended.

Labour party lawyers hope to get the Labour Chanter blog removed, and plan to serve the company hosting the site with a cease and desist letter, a party spokesman said.

The post about Gray, he said, had been already picked up and passed on by other nationalist bloggers and SNP activists. Many of the blog's followers are known nationalists, the spokesman added.

The blog was listed by one directory as Scottish nationalist, a category Labour Chanter said this morning was wrong.

The blogger, who also uses the name Scottish Unionist, urged supporters to complain.

"It is pathetic and reprehensible, but sadly nothing new. It is well known the so-called cyber-nats have been running a smear campaign against not just Labour but also members of the media who don't toe the nationalist line," he said. "The first minister should rein in SNP activists and their cyber-nat campaign and demand they drop it now."

Alec "Wardog is unpleasant" Please retract this ...

2009-05-01T11:18:00.000+01:00

Alec

"Wardog is unpleasant"

Please retract this statement, I'm hurt..... no really I am.

Alec, do you sometimes inadvertedly use the terms 'raghead' 'golliwog' and 'spade'?

I bet you do.

Abby, it's patently clear you have zero interest i...

2009-04-29T18:11:00.000+01:00

Abby, it's patently clear you have zero interest in the subject at hand, except how it relates to you... my friend is really important, but thinks it necessary to raise concerns with me! Me!

Y-o-o-o-o-u're so vain, you probably think the thread is about you.

When I started posting here, you adopted the same playful tone with me as you did with Dev... playful, but with the clear implication that you were much more intelligent and didn't need to play by the same rules.

You ain't even particularly interesting, as your 'insults' are little more than taunts of "ooo you smell and no-one likes you". Indy has some flair, it has to be said, although my prose is second to none.

If Dev bites back, she'll receive the same treatment as I am now... sprayed with venom, bile and other bodily fluids. Wardog is unpleasant with little empathy for the individuals being discussed, but for all your playful joshing, I get the distinct impression of your sitting behind your computer screen, face contorted with rage. Not at all pleasant.

You consistently abuse S.U's hospitality and out of maximum respect to him - and maximum contempt to you - I am now abjuring from this conversation.

Aberdonian The constant sniping is wearing. You'v...

2009-04-29T17:16:00.000+01:00

Aberdonian

The constant sniping is wearing. You've both crossed the line and I only published your comments in the hope that it brings your little spat to a head.

Separately, I value both your contributions and Alec's. But together, you're no fun at all.

Yes, my top-of-thread posts tend set out my stall in uncompromising terms, and I have no problem with similarly strident comments on all sides of the debate, but why that needs to spill over into personal abuse escapes me.

Politics, as I'm sure we all know, is more than anything about bettering people's lives. The battle of ideas should surely serve that end, not undermine it.

AM2, I did say it would end like this. Continual ...

2009-04-29T16:22:00.000+01:00

AM2, I did say it would end like this.

Continual reference to borderline smear story's and questionable race related insinuations will only attract the loony right.

Alec is living proof that Oswald Mosely was a prolific womaniser.

The Electoral Commission confirmed it is investiga...

2009-04-29T14:11:00.001+01:00

The Electoral Commission confirmed it is investigating a group called the Muslim Friends of Labour, which gave the party £100,000 a month .

Glasgow-based Imran Khand is alleged to have injected large sums into the organisation. But as his cash did not go direct to Labour, his identity remained secret.
Until recently the organisation donated only small amounts, but it is now the party's second biggest non-union donor.

The Muslim Friends of Labour - registered to a PO box in South London - is an "unincorporated" association, which it means it does not have to identify people who give it money. But the commission is investigating its status amid allegations that it is actually a members' association, made up "wholly or mainly" of members of a political party.

If so, it would be breaking the law by failing to disclose the details of any donor of more than £5,000.

Mr Khand could not be contacted.
It is my duty as your MSP to to be honest and transparent about who funds this great party of mine. G.F,MSP

http://labourchanter.blogspot.com/

SU+SM As you know I do not get personal with your...

2009-04-29T14:11:00.000+01:00

SU+SM

As you know I do not get personal with yourselves. Unfortunately Eck is the egotistical sociopath that he continually proves himself to be not only with me but with others on this site and others.

Fortunately I do not know him and I hope to retain that pleasure for the rest of my days--------

Personally being described as "evil" and "diseased" is far as I am concerned seriously overstepping the mark not to mention "jacobite jihadi". I think I might link this conversation to McWhirter's website. He will probably feel more justified over his little tirade a couple of weeks back if he reads it.

I fear Eck might soon overstep the mark and start issuing threats. I hope SU would be wise to moderate such things.

Do these guys know each other? Is there someplace...

2009-04-29T13:20:00.000+01:00

Do these guys know each other?

Is there someplace else they have these debates?

Can I go and watch?

And once again, it gets personal. sigh Guys, pl...

2009-04-29T13:14:00.000+01:00

And once again, it gets personal. *sigh*

Guys, please... this blog isn't the place either for amateur remote psychotherapy or for trading insults.

Abby, this song was written with you in mind, I th...

2009-04-29T12:41:00.000+01:00

Abby, this song was written with you in mind, I think... you're so vain, you probably think the the thread is about you, y-o-o-o-o-o-u're so vain!

In a thread about the disregard for McMoonface's stoking sectarian grievance for electoral gain because of political idiocy or a desire simply for self-aggrandizement over civic spirit you are... presenting yourself as the 'owner' of this conversation and seeking to run into the ground anyone who disagrees with you one iota.

To employ a Blackeradderism, some people cannot see the point if it is standing in front of them, wearing a t-shirt which says "I am the point!". This loose morality goes a long way to explaining your insouciance towards jacobite jihadism.

(Totalitarian language etc etc - what are you drivelling about?)
You are either thick or a deliberately dishonest evil clown. If the former, it's not my fault that you don't know this basic precept of Orwellian theory. Do some reading! as you would say.

(Likewise, as we're discussing religious sectarianism and conflict, Prince Rupert who's a central figure in 17th Century British Isles history should be recognizable. Did you go to university? Are you familiar with the concepts of critical thought and self-led study, or d'you expect it all to be spoon-fed a la Wiki and Google?)

If the latter, you are a disgusting person. You have also started, I see, pursuing me across different blogs. I'd see a psychiatrist about that, because it's a form of stalking.

Again I seriously do not think you have left university. Mentally anyway.
You just cannot help yourself, can you? Better that that a vicious playground stalked by diseased manikins of your mind. I often think that voting-age should be raised to at least 30... okay, 30 for men, 25 for women... but I'd hold off to 40 for you.

Dev, Galloway - whether or not the bodacious Terry...

2009-04-29T11:35:00.000+01:00

Dev, Galloway - whether or not the bodacious Terry Glavin thinks he's what would have once been called a fascist thug, or attends shindigs for the Syrian national socialist party - is a highly astute politician with detailed knowledge of electoral law.

McMoonface ain't. He's simply the tallest person in Lilliput.

There we go again - the McCarthyite-Friesleresque ...

2009-04-29T10:55:00.000+01:00

There we go again - the McCarthyite-Friesleresque tirade number 3454503000000000000000000000000000!

(Totalitarian language etc etc - what are you drivelling about?)

"As with Indy and Wardog, I don't think you're a fascist (although all of ewes do use fascistic argument)."

Yep, McCarthyite to a capital M

"I don't think you're a racist (although all of ewes do use race-based argument)."

Er, whilst I am sympathetic towards independence, I also could live with federalism. Race-related argument? Really? I can consider Rifkind more of a Scot than the late Queen Mum (despite lineage). Would you say a Canadian who was against lets integration with the States a racist. Is there an American race and a Canadian race? No that argument would be based on civic nationalism.

"Ewes are little more than reactionary liberals who can be guaranteed to oppose owt supported by the Westminster Government (and it's a real Government, unlike that pretendy-Government in Edinburgh), and vice versa."

Grunt, grunt, grunt! Do you back devolution or is it that you despise the party that is in power at the moment. You never seem to be able to answer the question on that one! For the record I do not think everything that comes out of Westminster is a bad thing (minimum wage etc). If you mean pretendy, in what way - no control over taxes (like er the Australian states lets say?)

Please do not give me any tosh about "moving the argument". I am not in the mood.

"Ewes are classic definitions of extremist mentalities which have near-phobic aversions to being wrong or considering that anyone with an even slightly deviating view can have a point. Thus your whittering on about legality and mythologizing Scottish history and culture, or pursuing minor points and elevating them to supreme importance which demonstrates the complete crapulence of your opponents."

First sentence - no idea what you are on about you demented gerbil. Second sentence applies to all nations, states etc. The UK mythologises itself. So does France. So does America. The end of the second sentence is vulger-psuedo-intellectual drivel which proves that at least (mentally) you have not moved on from student politics.

To be honest if I was to give you a history of Czech nationalism in the Habsburg State and the mythologising about Hus, White Mountain etc, I think you would be claiming that Lidice was "righteous justice" and you would have shouldered a rifle yourself with the Einzatzgrupen.

"Quite funny!"

"It's the difference between head-banging amorality and fist-swinging immorality"

Ditto my last sentence.

"Do my eyes deceive me? Are you actually discussing the subject at hand instead of flying into narcissistic rages at being questioned and attempting to run your opponents into the ground?"

And your bizarre rants about Nazis were what again? I think you fell in love with yourself years ago and remained ever faithful-----(pinched from A. Campbell on Salmnond).

"What is this, an esoteric religious order?

Has your friend put it on record? Is there literature or minutes which can be cited?

If there is, I welcome it as evidence of what I do believe about S.N.P. grassroot support - that they are unaware of the disgraceful stoking of sectarianism by Prince Rupert in Bute House.

If there ain't, and your friend has discussed it only with you, her/is comments are of little value."

I presume then you consider most political journalism is of little value since very few names are ever mentioned when it comes to "sources". Why don't you go and harass some journalists Cujo.

What are going about Salmond being "Prince Rupert".

Again I seriously do not think you have left university. Mentally anyway.

I'm right glad to hear Aberdonian that there are s...

2009-04-28T23:32:00.000+01:00

I'm right glad to hear Aberdonian that there are some in the SNP who question Salmond's inflated ego and his Faustian pact with Islamic theocracy.

We used to say: 'Scotland free, or a desert'. But with this evil it will be: 'Scotland free, AND a desert'.

He'd have us mortgaged up to the hilt to Arab sheikdoms. They'll be our new landlords and will make the Duke of Sutherland seem like Goldilocks. We found all that stuff out via the Freedom of Information. He was hoping to get money from Quatar to build the new Forth Road Bridge. He was getting Saeed to do the rounds for him in the Middle East.

Quatar is also where Yusuf Al-Quardawi is based. The leading ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood whom Saeed idolises. It's all on his blog. Check it out for yourself.

Salmond is a dangerous man. He's got to be stopped. I voted SNP for 30 years but cannot any longer so long as Salmond and his Salmonistas and jacobite jihadis have taken over the show. I'm not a natural unionist, but it is the lesser evil by far. And I never wanted independence to imperil the security of our southern neighbour or any part of the British Isles. We're family.

Salmond is selling us down the river to gratify his huge ego. He wants his walk on the world stage, being transgressive, doing deals with Hamas, attacking the hated British state. He's another Galloway, a rank disgrace.

I can't forgive him for that. I'm a patriot. He is not.

As Indy or Wardog said (cannot remember) "These...

2009-04-28T20:27:00.000+01:00
As Indy or Wardog said (cannot remember) "These are your personal obsessions which I do not understand and I do not want to understand". Could not put it better.
Hehe, you really know the vulgar Leninists are narked when all they can say is, ooo, everyone hates you, you smell and I know it! I'm much better that you, and telling you that must really upset you! No, stop laughing, it's not funny... stop it! Mummy, tell that nasty man to take me seriously!

Despite your ascribing to me the use of just the term "fascist", when I also use "fascistic". I do not use these terms interchangeably. Just as with your apparent inability to distinguish between accusations of support for totalitarian dictatorships and a desire for totalitarian control of language, if you cannot appreciate this, your whole credence on this matter is thrown into doubt.

As with Indy and Wardog, I don't think you're a fascist (although all of ewes do use fascistic argument). I don't think you're a racist (although all of ewes do use race-based argument). Ewes are little more than reactionary liberals who can be guaranteed to oppose owt supported by the Westminster Government (and it's a real Government, unlike that pretendy-Government in Edinburgh), and vice versa.

Ewes are classic definitions of extremist mentalities which have near-phobic aversions to being wrong or considering that anyone with an even slightly deviating view can have a point. Thus your whittering on about legality and mythologizing Scottish history and culture, or pursuing minor points and elevating them to supreme importance which demonstrates the complete crapulence of your opponents.

Quite funny!

It's the difference between head-banging amorality and fist-swinging immorality.

By the way, a friend of mine who is on the executive of the London SNP raised concerns with me about Saeed.
Do my eyes deceive me? Are you actually discussing the subject at hand instead of flying into narcissistic rages at being questioned and attempting to run your opponents into the ground?

So there are apparently some internal party concerns. As I am not an SNP member, I do not know to what extent.
What is this, an esoteric religious order?

Has your friend put it on record? Is there literature or minutes which can be cited?

If there is, I welcome it as evidence of what I do believe about S.N.P. grassroot support - that they are unaware of the disgraceful stoking of sectarianism by Prince Rupert in Bute House.

If there ain't, and your friend has discussed it only with you, her/is comments are of little value.

SU Eck S is egotistical but the rest, na. By the...

2009-04-28T14:14:00.000+01:00
SU

Eck S is egotistical but the rest, na.

By the way, a friend of mine who is on the executive of the London SNP raised concerns with me about Saeed. So there are apparently some internal party concerns. As I am not an SNP member, I do not know to what extent.

Eck

I am not the only one keeping notes obviously. "Egotistical, Sociopathic weirdo" - yep I stand by those remarks and your latest constribution merely reinforces them.

Your ego is so inflated I am surprised it is not taken off and orbiting the planet. Anyway you have a cheek about whining about me being off-topic. For some reason or other on a couple occassions you yourself seem to go on unrelated rants about the Nazis.

As Indy or Wardog said (cannot remember) "These are your personal obsessions which I do not understand and I do not want to understand". Could not put it better.

(I have a feeling this line of debate will go on for a few days----------)

I do wish people would investigate what neo-conser...

2009-04-28T12:53:00.000+01:00
I do wish people would investigate what neo-conservatism (nee neo-liberalism) actually means before throwing it around like stale food at an end of term spat at St. Trinians.

Abby, is it not about this point in the discussion that you start googling around for 'dirt' on me, find something by a semi-literate washed-out bucky drinking alkie from Newcastle, and - when I laugh in your face - start whining about being bullied and babbling about something which happened at school? I've seen Internet posters fold like packs of cards, or witnessed some self-pitying cant, but that really took the biscuit.

"munchkin, smurf, fascist, nilhist, lenninist, marxist, totalitarian language, get back to the farm napolean, etc."Oh, you're keeping a notebook on my bon mots. Bit obsessive, don't you think?

I'm not really surprised that you didn't mossey on down to Harry's Place (or, at least, use your current posting handle). You'd be amongst the big boys there who witness your brand of deceit and efforts to throw up fogs of confusion or seize on non-points on a daily basis, even more.

You'd be eaten alive. Best hang around in the genteel jimmified world of Scottish blogging.

Aberdonian Which Eck? ;-)

2009-04-28T12:46:00.000+01:00
Aberdonian

Which Eck? ;-)

Wardog: To be honest concerning Eck, I used to tr...

2009-04-28T11:51:00.000+01:00
Wardog:

To be honest concerning Eck, I used to try and reason with him but it has dawned on me that he is a egotistical, sociopathic weirdo with neocon tendancies and the talent to emulate the worst personality traits of Senator McCarthy and Roland Freisler.

Here is Freisler portrayed in action, he is the shouty guy in the Red. LOL if it was not so tragic

http://www.spike.com/video/sophie-scholl-trial/2685618cmpnid=753&pt=sr&refsite=7063

Not to mention his stock phrases which he repeats ad nauseum:

"munchkin, smurf, fascist, nilhist, lenninist, marxist, totalitarian language, get back to the farm napolean, etc."

Someone who wants to emulate Malcolm Tucker (whom he thinks is hard) but sounds like Gary Bushell.

Dev:

I would admit that SFT is a dog's breakfast. Hopefully if borrowing powers are devolved then it might get sorted.

Unfortunately dogma is preventing the SNP from continuing PPP as a stop gap at the moment.

Naturally I am not too keen in getting involved with Arab autocrats.

Eck:

I do not know what you are rabbitting on about in general. Your repostes are incoherent odure.

Concerning Churchill and ego, upon being elected MP for the first time, the big man declared he was the only young man in the country worth knowing. Very modest.

Here's a good article from Dawn on Saeed's agenda:...

2009-04-27T21:46:00.000+01:00
Here's a good article from Dawn on Saeed's agenda:

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/20051112.htm

Recommend you all to read it.

Grow up, Warpup. I'll put up with your unfounded c...

2009-04-27T19:33:00.000+01:00
Grow up, Warpup. I'll put up with your unfounded charges of racism, bigotry and Islamaphobia if you'll take an understated "pillock" or two on the chin.

AM2, how much longer are you going to putup with f...

2009-04-27T19:26:00.000+01:00
AM2, how much longer are you going to putup with foul mouthed Aelc.

I know your embarrassed by his racially inspired diatribes and that your maybe a little afraid to upset the boat given he posts about 50% of your comments.

But really, is this really the forum for bigots, racists and Islamaphobes to congregate?

S.U., it's true, as Dev says. Saeed is a former m...

2009-04-27T18:30:00.000+01:00
S.U., it's true, as Dev says. Saeed is a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood aligned Muslim Association of Britain (as Salmond says in this rather disgraceful piece), and continues to espouse its principles. All the hate-preachers you have stated that he has introduced to Scottish ministers or entertained at S.I.F.
shindigs are either direct members themselves or similarly aligned.

Oh, here's Abby trying to throw-up a fog of confusion.

If he is emulating him, it is not on purpose.
Hahahaha! I'd rethink that, you haven't said what you think you have.

Of course Salmond has a massive ego. He is not the first politician. Churchill had a huge opinion of himself and it was not until 1940 that many thought it was justified.
You complete and utter pillock. This applies to everything you have ever said, but this one comment jumped out at me.

Thanks for that info Aberdonian. Did you know Ess...

2009-04-27T17:14:00.000+01:00
Thanks for that info Aberdonian.

Did you know Essex County Council has just established such a municipal bank?

Let's hope the Dundee bank stays local and doesn't take cash from Quatar on Islamic bonds or sukuk as Salmond was toying with. Salmond's Scottish Futures Trust came unstuck because no-one had apparently realised that the Scottish Government couldn't in law raise bonds - though apparently municipalities can.

Salmond has been looking into Islamic finance and has been despatching Saeed to the Middle East on the hunt for cash.

Didn't know that?

But imagine that Aberdonian if the absolute arbitrary 'government' of an Arab sheikdom on the other side of the world were to lend the city of Dundee start up capital for their wee 'muncipal bank'. How does that pan out for local democracy and accountability? Since in such places 'government' is a family firm where facts are hard to establish and responsibilities not clearly defined it's not something a canny man like yourself would want to tangle with.

It makes the Highland landlords pale into insignificance. Islamic finance is based on assets: the lender owns the assets until the debt is repaid. Then a fee is charged in lieu of interest or 'riba' which is 'haram'. But the finance is usually more expensive than standard finance.

I'm all for independence Aberdonian - real independence.

All power to the Dundee initiative - but 'ourselves alone'. Keep it totally local; local money; local control.

Free quit and entire.

That's very principled of you, SU, but it is, I'm ...

2009-04-27T15:46:00.000+01:00
That's very principled of you, SU, but it is, I'm afraid, true.

If you read Saeed's blog he defends Yusuf Al-Qardawi as a leading 'mainstream' Muslim thinker.

Quardawi is the principle ideologue of the MB.

Saeed has also invited key MB spokesmen to SIF 'youth training' events, such Kemal Helbawy and Ahmed Rehab.

Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of the founder of MB also delivered the keynote speech at SIF last November.

Both the content of his writings, his associations (the Muslim Association of Britain which he was a spokesman for is also an MB front) and his strategy all bear the classic hallmarks of the MB, an organisation dating back to 1928 and now with thousands of members globally.

The MB shares the same goals as Al-Quaeda (Muslim global domination) but just differs as to strategy. This is why MB hates AQ, as AQ's crude tactics are likely to make people a tad suspicious. The MB strategy is non-violent (except for Hamas, the Palestinian branch)and seeks to Islamise society by penetrating government and influencing policy so as to maximise and expand 'the Islamic movement'. In other words they won't keep Islam to the private sphere as a religion for personal use but wish to enlarge its public purchase as far as they can push it until finally Islam has enveloped all of us. This ambitious fantasy project is difficult for any sane rational person such as yourself to grasp, especially here in Europe. Which is precisely why they have such great success here, where people are unwary, and instinctively liberal and accommodationist.

In Egypt however, where they are better known (MB orginated there) the government tries to halt them and they remain an illegal organisation.

I don't blame you for your scepticism but you should bean up on the MB and Quardawi. Then you will be able to join up the dots.

Saeed isn't doing anything illegal and he entitled to push his views and his agenda in a free (and unwary) society such as ours. Just as Nick Griffin is entitled to push his.

But such people are not an ornament of liberty or of community cohesion. They are not doing the rest of us any real favours and some of us quibble (as the Egyptian government does) whether they really ought to be entitled to such totalising views at all.

In our society this should be a matter for open debate. But Saeed won't engage in open debate about his MB links, that's the problem.

And as for Salmond - he just doesn't care. He hates Britain far too much.

Comments on Scottish Unionist: Osama Saeed defends supporter of armed jihad

Eh? No, it certainly wasn't me. Thanks for letting...

Am2, it's unclear on teh guardian peice whether th...

Alec "Wardog is unpleasant" Please retract this ...

Abby, it's patently clear you have zero interest i...

Aberdonian The constant sniping is wearing. You'v...

AM2, I did say it would end like this. Continual ...

The Electoral Commission confirmed it is investiga...

SU+SM As you know I do not get personal with your...

Do these guys know each other? Is there someplace...

And once again, it gets personal. *sigh* Guys, pl...

Abby, this song was written with you in mind, I th...

Dev, Galloway - whether or not the bodacious Terry...

There we go again - the McCarthyite-Friesleresque ...

I'm right glad to hear Aberdonian that there are s...

As Indy or Wardog said (cannot remember) "These...

SU Eck S is egotistical but the rest, na. By the...

I do wish people would investigate what neo-conser...

Aberdonian Which Eck? ;-)

Wardog: To be honest concerning Eck, I used to tr...

Here's a good article from Dawn on Saeed's agenda:...

Grow up, Warpup. I'll put up with your unfounded c...

AM2, how much longer are you going to putup with f...

S.U., it's true, as Dev says. Saeed is a former m...

Thanks for that info Aberdonian. Did you know Ess...

That's very principled of you, SU, but it is, I'm ...

And once again, it gets personal. sigh Guys, pl...