09 September 2008

What if...?

Posted by Scottish Unionist at 8:46 PM. There are 4 comments.
A rumour seems to be doing the rounds that the most recent YouGov poll indicates that, under a Conservative government, 50% of people would vote for an independent Scotland, with only 41% in favour of retaining the United Kingdom.

And in yesterday’s Herald, Robbie Dinwoodie even claimed of the poll that “it is the first time Alex Salmond's strategy of using a Tory victory to fuel support for independence in a referendum has been tested in this way”.

But neither the 50% figure nor Dinwoodie’s comment are correct. There have been at least two other fairly recent polls asking such a “what if...?” type question.

The first was an August 2007 YouGov poll for the Sunday Times which found 23% support for independence and that a further 9% might “consider” supporting separation in the event of a Conservative win, although it should be noted that a great many of the potential switchers were drawn from the 39% of SNP voters who didn’t actually favour independence!

The second was a March 2008 MRUK poll, blogged about by Douglas Fraser here, which again found 23% support for independence. But with MRUK’s wording a much higher 18% suggested that a Tory win might encourage them to “consider” the possibility.

And so it is with this week’s YouGov poll. As a single-option survey, the apparent 34% backing for independence isn’t comparable with the previous two polls, but like the other two the question about a Conservative government was worded not in terms of certainties, but only about whether it might make people “more likely or less likely” to back independence. About 8% indicated each of “much more likely” and “slightly more likely”.

Hence the 50% total, which is incorrect as it assumes that all those who said they might be tempted to vote for separation would actually switch. It also ignores the “less likely” countertendency.

But in any case, that these “what if...?” questions are unreliable is clearly demonstrated by the fact that multi-option polls, in which support for independence is gauged against that of the other main constitutional options, show virtually static support, with averages of 22% both for the six such polls conducted in 2007 and the group of three undertaken so far this year.

Yet the August 2007 YouGov poll found that 10% of people said they would be more likely to support independence if Alex Salmond really impressed as First Minister, and the March 2008 MRUK survey found a 22% figure under similar circumstances.

With the latest YouGov poll finding 41% backing for Alex Salmond as the best candidate to be First Minister and none of the other party leaders – or, in Labour’s case, leadership candidates – scoring even beyond single figures, it seems clear that, in relative terms at least, Salmond has really impressed very many people. It is with some regret that I confess that despite my many and fundamental disagreements with the First Minister, even I would probably count myself in that 41%.

So why then, with Salmond’s personal rating so high, is support for independence not growing? In the single-option context, it even appears to be on the wane: from 41% in April to 34% now. Why, when a Conservative government now seems almost inevitable, is that not actually filtering through into people’s constitutional preferences?

The basic answer is to be found in this clever analysis on the UK Polling Report blog, which succeeds in utterly discrediting questions in the “would X make you more or less likely to vote Y” style.

The simple truth is that while many people of a generally leftist disposition might loathe the idea of a Conservative election win, the notion that something as ordinary and non-threatening as a moderate, centre-right party winning a term in office might cause vast numbers of people to want to dismantle their nation, is little less absurd than reactionary domestic pledges such as a threat of divorce if one’s husband or wife goes directly from their work to the pub, or a threat of spousal murder if one is obliged to spend an unreasonable length of time traipsing around shops!
4 comments
  1. BSH September 10, 2008 8:54 AM  

    So do you agree that polls are pretty much useless in judging the level of public opinion and that we should take it to the people with a referendum on the issue?

  2. Scottish Unionist September 10, 2008 1:15 PM  

    No. Opinion polls are very useful indeed. See my previous post for more on that.

    But these conditional questions asking people to judge how their opinions might change under certain future circumstances are highly dubious.

    I'm open-minded on holding a referendum, although it's not as straightforward an issue as it might seem. But it would certainly be good to lay the divisive independence issue to rest for a generation or so.

  3. sm753 September 10, 2008 4:30 PM  

    Interesting:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/sep/10/conservatives.labour

    Even the Grauniad is starting to admit that Cameron & co may be on to something.

    So if/when this view percolates north, a Tory victory could be seen as a lot less of a "horse-frightener."

  4. Scottish Unionist September 10, 2008 5:38 PM  

    sm753

    Interesting article; thanks. I've linked to three of Cameron's speeches in the right sidebar. He's clearly serious about protecting and enhancing the Union, by - in his words - addressing "one-by-one the deeper questions that are fuelling separatism". As your Guardian article said, while his methods may be open to criticism, his motives are sound. Labour and the Lib Dems would do well to muzzle, if not quite call off, certain of their dogs. Country above party.

    The SNP will of course seek to send the message that "they" (meaning the English, but unspoken of course) have imposed on "us" a government which "we" didn't want. That argument is fallacious and easily refuted, though not without recourse to a discussion of frankly dreary electoral technicalities.

    So unless the impact of the nationalists' rhetoric is taken seriously and both detailed and pithy rebuttals are prepared, a Tory win could yet hand the SNP a short-term propaganda advantage. Hence their planned referendum timing, of course.