Flags have featured heavily in the news recently: train liveries, the Olympic rules and Photoshopped castles, for instance. And perhaps not without some justification, I have been criticised for the extent of my focus on the topic.But images evoke stories, and this blog’s stated purpose is to consider the “narrative of Scottish Unionism”.
So for that reason, my previous use of a Union Flag icon to accompany my comments was inadequate, because used in isolation, it tacitly yields the distasteful but no less real “Scottishness” argument to the Saltire-waving nationalists.
But by a similar token, using only St Andrew’s Cross wouldn’t have worked either, because it lacks a distinctive “Unionist” component – and I say that despite my stated intention of supporting moves to reclaim Scotland’s flag from the nationalists and to depoliticise its use.
In short, George Foulkes has a valid point. The deliberate promotion of the Saltire, not in and of itself but to the exclusion of the British flag, is indeed “independence by creep”. It’s part of a calculated effort by the SNP to encourage a form of Scottish patriotism which is devoid of any British context, and which therefore all too easily crosses the line into political nationalism.
Countering the nationalists’ machinations isn’t straightforward. They seize every opportunity to mockingly accuse the unionist parties of being fearful of promoting Scottish pride, and despite Annabel Goldie’s valiant efforts in making plain that “the Scottish National Party does not have the monopoly on Scottish patriotism”, their rhetoric is clearly resonating with all too many.
But the case needs to be made: we are 100% Scottish, 100% British and indeed 100% European. We believe, not — as they would portray us — in dependence, but in interdependence, both within the United Kingdom and at the supra-state level. That, to my mind, is the essential “Unionist ideal”.



Too often people only comment on blogs when they disagree, so I wanted to give my support to you in this case.
Your focus on the power of images and the danger of 'independence by creep' is very true, and very serious. It wasn't so long ago that I was immensley proud of the Scottish flag. Now when I see it I feel a great sense of disapointment. I no longer warm to it, and that is so sad.
The question is, however, is how we combat this. People get very defensive when you suggest they're being brainwashed into independence. Patronising people will turn them away. We are also in the difficult situation where if a unionist says something bad, it strengthens the case of independence. In a political context, that means that independence may come, not as a result of the SNP doing particularly well or the case for independence being particularly strong, but because the unionist parties are at the moment, in Scotland, so weak.
What can we do?
Ride with the SNP?- support them on what they do that's right? Or criticise them for the road they are taking us down and try to destroy their credibility?
Again I find this to be almost like a mirror image of the older generation of Scottish nationalists, the people who got upset about postboxes with E11R on it and hated the union jack and all that sort of thing. An obsession with symbols and a defensiveness about identity.
Hardly anyone in the SNP really cares about that sort of thing now - and those who do belong to the older generation.
I'm not knocking them but the political reality today is that it's not relevant, it really doesn't affect the way people vote, the SNP is not going to win any more elections because trains are painted like saltires, Labour would not win any more elections if they were painted like union jacks. People are not going to be brainwashed by Homecoming Scotland flying a fake saltire on Edinburgh Castle because it is not aimed at the domestic market. We're already home. It's aimed at the Diaspora to get them to come back and spend their money here. It was the previous Exec that decided on the use of the Saltire to market Scotland the Brand internationally. They did not do that to try and brainwash anyone into independence but presumably because they thought it would work.
But what is interesting to me is that I have a vague kind of theory that many of the older generation of nationalists focussed on symbols because the reality for them at that time was that the SNP were not electable. The party won by-elections here and there and had a handful of seats but even in the 1970s with the 11 MPs the idea of an SNP Government was so far fetched as to be unbelievable. The idea of any Scottish Government was pretty far fetched - the case even for devolution had not been accepted. Hence I suppose people in the SNP felt there was a need to keep promoting a Scottish identity as opposed to a British one. If they hadn't done that we would not have a Scottish Parliament - but now that we have one we don't need to do that any more.
If my theory is correct - though I am not saying it is - what does that say about you guys? Are you becoming increasingly focussed on the symbolism of the Union as the voters lose their attachment to the reality?
I'm usually more of a lurker than a commenter myself, but I must add my agreement to Matt's comments above. I too now feel rather cold towards the St Andrew's cross, which is a sorry state of affairs.
To be honest though, I'm rather pessimistic about 'reclaiming' it.
Indy
There’s not even a vague hint of a “mirror image”!
Here’s a challenge for you. Find me just one “anti-Saltire” remark by any unionist politician. Just one - from any time over the past 50 years, say!
Now, let me be clear. I don’t mean statements of concern by George Foulkes or others about the way in which nationalists are pressing Scotland’s flag into political service and all the while denying that they’re doing so. I mean comments which actually denigrate the flag itself.
For example, parallels to these:
1) ex-SNP MSP Campbell Martin’s remark about what he called “the historically accurate description of the British Union flag as the Butcher’s apron”
2) SNP MSP Christine Grahame’s bizarre comment that “the Saltire represents all of the values and principles that Gordon Brown wants the Union Flag to aspire to”
3) Christine Grahame’s even more outrageous moral supremacist comment about the Saltire encapsulating “a set of truths and national priorities” which, in her exact words, “the Union flag can never attain or fully represent”
4) ex-SNP MSP Andrew Wilson’s stated view that “the Union Flag is an offensive symbol which doesn’t refer to anything other than colonialism and the worst aspects of what is happening in Northern Ireland”
5) The press statement, approved by SNP MSP Sandra White, which claimed that “most Scots” referred to the Union Flag as the “butcher’s apron”.
Over to you...
You haven't really grasped what I'm saying, quite possibly because I have not explained it very well.
I agree you won't find any anti-Saltire arguments made by any unionist politicians over the past 50 years because why would they bother? What did the Saltire represent? Even if they took it as representing the SNP they all thought the SNP and the whole idea of independence was a joke. But they don't think that now do they?
If you are going to look at this symbolically the Union Jack has been a symbol not only of the Union but of the 'establishment' in Scotland over the past 50 years. But the establishment has been rocked and may even be changing hands. Unionists are starting to feel defensive. They are starting to feel like they have to justify themselves and starting to define themselves not only as what they are but what they are not. That's why I can quite easily see unionists starting to resent the Saltire in the same way as old time nationalists like Christine Grahame resent the UJ, not because of what it actually is of course (just a bit of cloth) but what it symbolises. The establishment.
That's why I can see a strange similarity between the mindset that people in the SNP used to have (and the likes of Christine Grahame may still have though I think she's toned it down a bit now) and the mindset that appears to be developing among committed unionists - including the tendency to see plots everywhere.
SU - I hate to break out into consensus here, but a mostly well considered viewpoint which I can respect, if not wholly agree with. But I think Indy has a point that you should consider in more detail - many of the new breed of our representatives and activists don't actually go to bed worrying too much about symbolism... we really do care about good government more :). The saltire above the castle episode is an unfortunate, silly, mistake - which doesn't seem to be attracting much defence from us Nats. But lets keep it in perspective - it appears to have been destined for the type of ancestory tourist that thinks they'll see leprechauns when they visit Ireland! Oh, and as has been mentioned before... the Labour Party started it with Purnell!
The more that people like Foulkes (who I think Matt's mic works for in the parliament) make too much of the symbolism issue, the more they are going to look just plain daft - read Iain Macwhirters comments here! In the case of Foulkes, I don't think neither he or his parliamentary staff release what a irrelevant laughing stock and self parody the man has become....
I like your interdependence theme - something to possibly explore in more detail on the blog - can interdependence survive independence? Is the "social union" strong enough? Does a single European market mean that the business links continue? I would argue so, but perhaps something for debate here....?
"Here’s a challenge for you. Find me just one “anti-Saltire” remark by any unionist politician."
You must remember that politicians play to their target audience, no Scottish unionist politician will ever rubbish the Saltire as it would be political suicide.
Generally the english unionist politicians do not consider Scotland relevant enough to even talk about our flag!
Indy: Thanks for elaborating, and I suppose there may be such a risk – if Matt’s and DG’s comments about a cooling of attitude are in any way representative. Hence the pressing need for the non-nationalist majority to reclaim their flag for everyone in Scotland to enjoy.
Leaves on the line: I absolutely disagree in respect of George Foulkes, but thanks for your others comments and your questions are certainly worth brain-space.
BSH: Bluntly, your comments seem to reveal more about your peculiar impression of unionists than the politicians themselves.
Like it or not, but the Union flag has been seen as the symbol of oppression by many peoples of this world; the Saltire has (hopefully) escaped that.
It seems that the Unionists are saying "Don't use the Saltire, it's our flag too".
What do you suggest the SNP uses instead...?
I think some of the more rabid unionistas would like a black thistle symbol in a white circle on a red field...;-)
Whilst you argue over how to 'combat' the SNPs 'brainwashing' of people into independence (otherwise known as the SNP winning the arguments) have you ever, even for a second, thought that maybe, just maybe, it'd be a good thing? I genuinely believe our relationship with our friends and neighbours down south would be far less tetchy and a lot more positive if we were equal nation-state partners in this interdependent world. It's the obvious answer to all the argument over who subsidises who,who controls what, all the grudges and the grievances (real or otherwise) The chips would have to come off the shoulders, the dreary debates about flags would be resolved. I think its impact would be immense
I'm not too sure about the interdependence theme, to be honest (I'm not questioning the sincerity but perhaps the reasoning), because surely interdependence presupposes a level of equality of legal/juridical, if not hard-nosed political, intergovernmental relations in which various aspects of governance have become meshed together politically and economically. I just don't see that in the case for the union to continue, I'm afraid. Since, surely, the unionist case is to put forward the argument that maintaining a central institution and bureaucracy is the best way forward. Such centralisation does not entail intderdependence, no matter the level of devolution.
The only way one could really accept that mainstream unionism is really about interdependence would be for mainstream unionism to be in the process of arguing and pushing ahead with ideas of a strictly federal UK. Even then, with a federal UK, with the lessons we've learned from Germany and Belgium, it would still be a fairly tenuous approach to claim a mature and proper level of interdependence.
I firmly believe that a Council of the Isles is the best way forward for the British Isles. Based on the Nordic Council it would bring up about a real level of cooperation, social union, sharing of ideas, approaches for mutual benefit, equality, and, yes, interdependence.
"Here’s a challenge for you. Find me just one “anti-Saltire” remark by any unionist politician."
In 2000 at the launch of the Better Government for Older People campaign in the Scottish Borders Tory peer Lord Minto, who was presiding over the launch, insisted he did not want a Saltire positioned on a wall behind him as it "smacked of Scottish nationalism"... the subsequent press conference was dominated by his insult to our nation's flag. (Source, Southern Reporter, August 2000)
"In short, George Foulkes has a valid point. The deliberate promotion of the Saltire, not in and of itself but to the exclusion of the British flag, is indeed “independence by creep”. It’s part of a calculated effort by the SNP to encourage a form of Scottish patriotism which is devoid of any British context, and which therefore all too easily crosses the line into political nationalism."
Have you seen the Scottish labour PArties website at the moment.
More hypocrisy from Lord Ha ha
That's aimed at Foulkes not you, just incase you were about to assume.......
I'm a Scot living near London, and for that reason I tend not to talk about my Unionism - keeping the Ewan McGregor rule of not commenting on a country when you don't live there - but I'd like to use your Scottish/British/Euro symbol on my blog as it sums up how I feel for my identity perfectly - is that cool or not cool?
cheers
DK
David: Very cool! Be my guest...
I am a disassociated Scot living in the states (California) married to a Scot (born & raised), & am truly grateful to have stumbled upon your blog. In truth I have not until recently been motivated to wake up (politically speaking) & reeducate myself to the concerns of my fellow countrymen (and women). I've alot to think about. Thank you. I will stay tuned to your blog & participate as appropriate. Peace. Esterlust loves Scotland.