26 August 2008

Multi-nationality disorder

Posted by Scottish Unionist at 8:25 PM. There are 10 comments.
In Scottish terms, this year’s Olympics were the most political I can recall, as exemplified by Team GB gold medal winner Chris Hoy saying:
Scotland is part of Britain, they are not mutually exclusive; I'm a proud Scot and I'm a very proud Brit as well.
But “Salmond’s approach to the Olympics”, in which “goodwill or congratulations have been directed only at the Scots athletes taking part, has been “churlish and petty” and has shown a “lack of generosity of spirit”, according to Kenny Farquharson in this week’s Scotland on Sunday.

Farquharson continued:
The SNP believes Britishness is dying as Scots increasingly see themselves as Scottish, not British. This has been repeated so often it has become a truism. The problem is, it simply isn’t true. The Scots are a complex and sometimes contradictory people – inconveniently so for the SNP.
He then cited Scottish Social Attitudes survey data from successive years showing that dual Scottish-British national identity is very much alive and well.

This was evidently too much for one CyberNat, who replied:
Your "stats" on Britishness (particularly those related to the multi-nationality disorder you and other Brit nationalists suffer) should also reflect and state that perhaps the reasons there are "high" number of "British, not Scottish" in Scotland is due to the high levels of "Southern British" people living in our country, not to mention the aspiring Southern Britishers like yourself Kenny.
Peeling away his “disorder” insult, his “aspiring Southern Britishers” nonsense and the deeply distasteful subtext of his use of the expression “our country” when set against the status of English people living here, we can see what lies at the root of his view: he sees multi-layered senses of national identity as abnormal. To be Scottish, he thinks, should be to exclude all else.

Such a view is entirely inconsistent with my experience and preference. I was born and did much of my growing up in Northern Ireland, moved to Scotland as a teenager, put down roots here and later came to identify with Scotland more than any other part of the United Kingdom.

In terms of nationality, I would therefore consider myself Irish (by birth, and by which I mean the island nation of Ireland), Scottish (by adoption, and primary identification) and of course British (as a matter both of objective reality and political persuasion).

Moreover, I’m not each of these three in some fractional sense totalling 100%. I’m not less Irish just because I moved elsewhere or less Scottish because I happen to be a new Scot. Rather, I’m fully Irish, fully Scottish and fully British — and those nationalists who try to tell me otherwise only betray their own prejudices. I know several English people living in Scotland who self-identify as both English and Scottish — to my mind, an entirely reasonable designation.

So far from being a disorder, such nuanced senses of national identification evince a richness and openness which, while perhaps unusual in global terms, are far from being uncommon in the British Isles and in various other parts of Europe. My own nationalities even span state boundaries, which fact should in itself serve as an indication of my diametrical opposition to nationalism of any kind.
10 comments
  1. Rab o'Ruglen August 27, 2008 8:03 AM  

    I don't think you sound comfortable with your 100% combined components of nationality. I think you just sound confused.

    Why anybody should oppose Scots competing in a Scottish team in the olympics when Scottish international football participation is taken as a "given" is just beyond me. Your arguments on sport just sound as confused as your views on your own national identity or do you really just want to suppress your Scottish side by continually emphasising its Britishness?

    Sounds like some deep-seated psychological problems there.

  2. BSH August 27, 2008 8:59 AM  

    I was born in Ireland myself (Cork), but being an engineer I have to have 100% of nationality available and most certainly 51%+ of that nationality is scottish.

    I'd say 5% Irish, 25% British, 70% Scottish. If one could hypothetically put a figure on it. I understand your argument that you are 100% each nationality, but as I always feel 'more' Scottish than British I need to make an arbitary accounting system to understand the reason why.

    Perhaps you are 33% Irish, British and Scottish?

  3. The Aberdonian August 27, 2008 11:42 AM  

    Ah now I might understand SU/AM2. Do you march in July and support a football team based in the Govan area per chance?

    Anyway talking about football and an earlier query from myself, what do you make of Mr Brown's campaign for UK Olympics football team when it seems most people (outside maybe England) are against it?

    Even Alan Cochrane is apoplectic at the idea. Apparently his wife (Jenny Hjul of Windsor) recorded in her columns that during the last world cup that Mr Cochrane backed every team playing against England. Even hardline unionists like Mr Cochrane have a chink of Anglophobia somewhere.

  4. Indy August 27, 2008 12:13 PM  

    Chris Hoy's position is not quite what you may think it is. In the Daily Record today he is quoted as saying:

    "I feel a bit upset that I have been quoted as saying the idea of a Scottish Olympic team is ridiculous.

    "If and when a Scottish team was put together, I would be delighted to represent Scotland in the Olympic Games.

    "But before that happens, so much needs to be done for the athletes to be able to compete at the highest level.

    "As a cyclist, there isn't a facility in Scotland where I can train throughout the year and that's why I have to base myself outside Scotland.

    "I am proud to be Scottish, but at the same time it's not feasible to think we can compete as a nation without the right facilities."

    As a nationalist I would agree with that. I doubt that a Scottish Olympic team is feasible for 2012 because we simply do not have the sporting infrastructure in place and because grassroots funding is actually being diverted away from Scotland in order to help fund the London Olympics.

    The challenge for the SNP Government is to identify sources of funding which would make a Scottish Olympic team feasible. I don't think they can do that within the constraints of devolution so I think they should probably let the idea drop for now and focus on the Commonwealth Games.

    A Scottish Olynpic team will come, I have absolutely no doubts about that, but a lot of work requires to be done before we reach that position.

  5. DG August 27, 2008 1:21 PM  

    SU, you've very quickly become one of my favourite bloggers. Whilst I'm not sure of the merits of going into the gutter and giving any credibility to these self-evidently bonkers 'Cybernats', it's always nice to see some simple common sense trump complete nonsense.

  6. Scottish Unionist August 27, 2008 3:04 PM  

    Rab o'Ruglen:

    I'm neither confused nor suffering from any mental problems, thank you! But it's interesting that you should be so incapable of taking a perspective other than your own on board that you imagine me to be in some way afflicted. You've also read far too much into anything I might have said about sport.

    BSH:

    What about the other 1%? Seriously, no. I just see myself as 100% of each. Fathers don't stop being fathers when they become grandfathers. A contrived analogy, but hopefully indicative.

    The Aberdonian:

    No, you don't understand at all. Put your stereotypes away. Orangism is an anachronism, and I have no time whatsoever for either their religio-political package or their retrograde knuckledragging. Clear enough?

    And although it's not relevant, I have more of a soft spot for Celtic, although I'll always support Rangers or indeed any Scottish side in Europe.

    I would support the idea of reinstating a UK football team, but only for the Olympics. Doesn't it seem rather silly to you that we're entitled to complete but don't?

    Indy:

    That subtext was always in Chris Hoy's comments, but that's the media for you! I'm far from convinced that a Team Scotland, competing for athletes against a continuing Team GB (as per my understanding of IOC rules) would be beneficial, but like Chris Hoy I certainly wouldn't be closed to the idea.

    DG:

    Thank you. I hope I'm not "going into the gutter" by leveraging some ideas off more extreme comments, but you're not the first person to make that point. Food for thought...

  7. Indy August 27, 2008 3:08 PM  

    Aberdonian - a lot of people who march in July and support a football team based in the Govan area vote SNP.

    People are much too apt to categorise other peoples political opinions on how they perceive their identity.

    That applies to nationalists and unionists equally.

    Voters are just not that straightforward!

  8. The Aberdonian August 27, 2008 4:31 PM  

    Indy

    I am well aware there are Rangers fans in the SNP ranks.

    To name three:

    Sean Connery
    Jim Sillars
    Duncan Hamilton

    And there have been (bizarrely) Orange elements in the SNP. Billy Wolfe of course is notorious example and the SNP teamed up after WWII with the LOL to persecute Catholic Polish servicemen who settled in Scotland for a short period.

    Hence the supposed tradition in the west central belt of Labour being perceived as the defenders of the Catholic peoples.

    (Not that Labour can be smug on this issue - Keir Hardie led perscutions against Lithuanian miners - international brotherhood indeed).

    However when the politics of Orangism rear their head.

    As for the Olympics team. Nope. It would threaten the Scottish team despite what Blatter says.

    If you look it up, Spanish regional teams such as Catalonia are battering on the door of FIFA trying to get in citing Scotland, England etc as an example. All it needs are the Spanish membership of FIFA to get bolshie and ----

  9. sm753 August 27, 2008 8:00 PM  

    Rab o'Ruglen

    "Why anybody should oppose Scots competing in a Scottish team in the olympics when Scottish international football participation is taken as a "given" is just beyond me."

    It's not a given. Football, rugby, (cricket - sort of) and the Commonwealths are the exceptions, where due to historical reasons the UK is able to enter four teams and tell the rest of the world to lump it (or we take the ball back).

    In all other sports the rule is one nation-state, one team. We're simply saying we should play by the rules and be happy with it.

  10. Zeynep September 2, 2009 9:06 PM  

    Did Gordon Brown congratulate the French for their olympic wins? As the leader of Scotland it's the First Minister's priority to congratulate the people who do well in the country he represents, no? That doesn't mean ill-will to our friends in the rest of Britain/Europe/the World. Where do you stop to make sure you're not accused of being churlish and petty?

    I'm Arabic-Turkish-Scottish. I'm also very much pro-independence. I have no problem with accepting different identities without any measurement or dilution. I know no-one from the snp who does, frankly. Thinking Scotland should be self-governing does not mean you are unable to accept the concept of multi-nationalities. I generally quite enjoy your anti-snp arguments, but I have to say this is a particularly daft one.